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Monday, September 29

Wanted Entrepreneurs!

Came across StrawberryFrogs'Scott Goodsons' blog entry - ADVERTISING NEEDS MORE ENTREPRENEURSHIP, MORE THAN EVER.

Says he - 1. The sign of a healthy industry is the state of its entrepreneurial spirit. The advertising industry as a whole needs more entrepreneurs. The large conglomerates that control and dominate the industry need more competition.

2. We need more entrepreneurs. A little backbone and a lot of ambition. Because this drives the industry forward. And the more people in the huge conglomerates see indies succeed the more they should think "hey if they can do it, I can do it too"!!

Scott's post made me think what's wrong with the big networks who have a fair share of talent and entrepreneurial spirit.

(a) It's not that the big networks don't have talent, it's just that there is not much incentive to do things differently. Failure is heavily censured. So, the brightest guys are afraid to deviate from the dotted line.

(b) Entrepreneurship grows when there is a small pool of like-minded people with shared belief and passion. Big networks seldom actively allow their brightest minds to pool their talent and energies together. Most often talent is locked in silos that seldom partner each other.

(c) The existing power-structure is so focused on the things that worked in the past and in servicing the current big clients that any new thought/ project/ venture never gets the attention, money and backing to lift-off...

(d) And many a time the best of the CEO's vision gets lost in translation as it has to pass though the fat layer of middle management and mindsets stuck in the past...

But looks like the winds of change are blowing hard:-)

Monday, March 31

The Week That Was

If I had any notions that I would travel less in the new job, they got blown away in week 1 itself. With trips to Delhi and Chennai(actually the lovely beach at Mahabalipuram) looks like 2008 would be a near repeat of '07!!

The week-end itself was most memorable for some blue-sky chats with a close friend on 'new business ventures' in the 'hospitality space'...Something to really look forward to in '08...

Saw Rajat Kapoor's Mithya. Quite enjoyable. Ranbir Sheorey is very good. Though, I found Naseer Saheb & Vinay Pathak wasted in smallish roles. But Naseer was enjoying himself as the flashy gangster with snake-skin shoes and red glares!!

Read a nice write-up on the return of Chitrangada Singh by Nisha Susan in Tehelka(please subscribe to this mag if you haven't). You can catch up on this story here!

And finally Hal Riney, the maverick ad legend passed away earlier last week at 75. Check out Jeff Goodby's finely written piece as he reminisces about his mentor's friendship, complicated nature and 'The Moment' at adage.com here. Another write-up on the creative giant here...

Funnily, while re-arranging the stuff(physical, emotional, transactional) of my life to fit into a new job, the blog plays the role of that stable repository of thoughts and feelings that's contiguous. A placeholder that knows no boundaries of WPP or Omnicom...LOL

This week - Goah!!

Thursday, March 13

Prose is for Lazy People

Read this very absorbing interview of Prasoon Joshi in Tehelka. Am becoming a big fan of both Tehelka and Joshi Saheb!! You can read the interview here

Thot post-its from the same...

1. We don’t choose ideas. Ideas choose us. We can’t grab a thought. A thought grabs us. You have to be receptive, ready to receive thoughts.

2. In Rang de Basanti there was no place for the song, “Lukka chuppi.” The scene is a son’s funeral and his mother experiencing a terrible loss. Rahman and I used the idea of a mother and son playing hide-and-seek. The sad reality is the son is hidden forever.

3. If there’s a particular word that doesn’t fit the tune, I tell him: No, I need this word. It’s important. It’s like a paperweight, if you remove it, everything will fly away!

It is rather crass of me to compare poetry with presentation/ power-point. But for a recent pitch, we were adamant on 'one' word. And it did make all the difference. We won the business. 30 slides, 40 units of creative all hinged on that 'one' word...Okay that was an unseemly detour.

4. The finest creativity is when you draw a dot and yet everyone can see the circle. If you allow the listeners to participate, they will complete the thought.

5. "I like writing songs featured in the background. What is happening in the mind of the character, but he’s unable to express."

6. It’s important to understand the overall context and then forget it. The mind has absorbed the essential. If you continue to refer to the lead-in situation, you start to mirror it, whereas your song must add another dimension to the narrative.

7. How does poetry express thought better than prose? Through its economy. Take this example: Navak andaz jidhar deeda-e jana honge/ Neem bismil kai honge kai bajan honge (Wherever the eyes of my beloved fall/ Some are wounded, others slain).

The idea is so precise. If you had to explain this in prose, you would have to write an entire page. And prose allows less participation.

8. Why do you think prose is more loved? Because prose is for lazy people. Poetry is for people with a fertile imagination.

Poetry is like a buffet. You must serve yourself because the meal will not be served at your table. It’s a pity we have mostly lost the passion for poetry.

Joshi Saheb, you make me want to read poetry in my attention-deficit, time crunched corporate life...And pick up the threads of the long buried dream(under the debris of trivial pursuits) of learning Urdu all over again!

Saturday, April 21

Beattie FCUKs Scam Ads

For the official version on the Goa Ad Fest goto agencyfaqs! For the spice and straight from the trenches feel, stay tuned!

With a weak broadband link, its increasingly difficult to upload stuff...but I shall try my best.

In the two days, Ad Fest has upstaged Abbys as the numero uno advertising awards. It's been organised like an International event. A round of applause to the AAAI. Well done guys! But for the heat it's been a spectacle.

The beach, the babes(!!!), the booze, the water sports, down to the msn bike-taxis ferrying people up and down the ad village, every thing's been well thought out.

Just came back from Trevor Beattie's one hour chat! The guy was full steam and theatre. And boy did he take the pants of scam ads!

Some quick fire Beattie bytes before I rush again for the awards...

1. "I think the world is divided into two camps - the ones who care and the ones who don't"

2. Scam ads should be called cheat ads as you cheat the clients, the consumers and most of all yourself!

3. "Let's be very clear. We don't do ART. We do COMMERCE"

4. I guess in the ad industry we all need to say something nice about someone behind their backs.

5. in my whole life I might have had just two BIG IDEAS...What we all need to take to clients are a whole bunch of small ideas that take the brand forward.

6. The great work will speak for itself...

That's all I can manage...Gotta rush to the venue!

Thursday, March 22

Where's the Glue around here?

I have often ranted at the lack of disruptive systemic level changes in the Indian advertising business...Be it a culture of open-source creativity or the subject of a creative-planner formalised partnership, Agency 2.0 and more...

Between Prasoon, Balki or Piyush - I have rarely heard them speak about the agencies/ creatives/ creative products of the future...In fact of the trinity, only Prasoon appears to be wired into the new world/ new media space. At least that's what I get from his heavily PRed thoughts...

However, a flat world ensures that one at least knows of the disruptive business models emerging in other parts of the globe. The Glue Society is one of the agencies/ creative fraternity that is at the fore-front of systemic changes in the way they approach the advertising business...

Came across this interview of co-founder Jonathan Kneebone at this website.

Capturing the essence of his thots peppered with a few of my own.

1. The Glue Society is a creative collective based in Sydney and New York comprising of writers, designers, art directors and film directors. Founded in Sydney in 1998 by Jonathan Kneebone and Gary Freedman.

2. "Rather than become an agency with permanent clients, we decided to work project by project. That way we would be able to ensure all the projects we worked on were those we were suited to and interested in".

I feel the planning fraternity in India could possibly adopt this project/ free-lance approach. Not all clients are worth the jet-miles:-) or the long hours...I would be happier building a domain expertise in my interest area rather than head a geographically demarcated client base.

3. "Rather than just come up with ideas then outsource them to other people to make, we decided to combine concept and execution into the same four walls".

Advertising is amongst the only industries where the central product(still the 30 cc commercial) is out-sourced to the producers...I guess its high time the concept and execution be combined together. It will be a viable, nimbler, happier model.

4. "Our catalogue of work tends to attract clients who are similarly interested in breaking down walls and being brave to new opportunities".


This piece of glue society creative is actually a sculpture(installation) at a beach. It depicts melting ice-cream!!

5. "Bad advertising agencies have a tendency to copy the latest fads or mimic other popular things. This simply won't wash anymore. Why would someone spend time with a fake piece of entertainment, when they can spend time with the original. The industry is being forced to change by the realisation that everyone is creative (something we've long believed)."

6. Advertising is like art in some respects - in that there's a hell of a lot of crap and some things that resonate. The difference for me between the two is at the conceptual level. Advertising tends to be where we solve other people's problems. Art tends to be where you get to solve your own.

I wish we had more thinkers like Jon Kneebone & Gary Freedman closer home...

This is the famous Chicken Sandwich world championship work conceptualised by CP+B and directed by the Glue Society!

Saturday, March 17

Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans

John Lennon's famous words...As I took time out from the busy Bombay buzz into the slower groove of Patna, going to the zoo, the circus(Gemini) or spent time at the century old Bankipore club along with my diasporic joint family, I just realised the importance and the neglect of my other life...This trip with Neo has been well worth the little extra effort!

Just had time to do a little surfing everyday...Discovered adobomagazine - this ad creativity website from the Philippines!

Few excerpts/ facts from a Neil French Interview on the web-site - a man whom I had heard more than I know about...I like his bluntness:-) and strong POV especially relevant in the Indian context where most ad guys have nothing original to say and when they it, they do it in the blandest possible way!!

1. In his roller-coaster life, Neil French has been a rent collector, account executive, advertising manager, waiter, singer, matador, beach bum, pornographer, bouncer, debt collector, concert promoter, nightclub owner, Judas Priests’ rock band manager, copywriter, art director, creative director, film director, actor, television station owner, worldwide creative director of Ogilvy and most recently, Godfather and worldwide creative director of WPP.
Now which department does he belong to?:-)

2. On BBH and Mother - "They're not so micro, actually! And what they bring to the party is freshness and an absence of what can only be described as bureaucracy. What clients want increasingly is an idea that will grab the audience. The question remains to be answered, whether the clients themselves will allow the leaps into the unknown that the step involves. It's too soon to tell, but the worst thing that could happen is that they get a smaller version of what they already had..."

3. On now his infamous comment that "women creatives are crap!" - Of course, I didn't say “Women are crap;” that's just the press getting hysterical and as usual failing to do any checking. However, men can't bear children and women can. If a woman in the early stages of her career decides she can do both jobs well, and that there's no price to pay, she's mistaken. I've had forty years of experience in this job, and there are NO exceptions. Nobody has a God-given right to a job or a job-title; it takes hard work and commitment. I'm all for sexual equality, but that means equality...not a free ride on the basis of gender, or for that matter race, religion, or whatever.

4. On long copy ads - Long copy has always been the most effective way of selling in the press. The 'direct' business has always known this. A reasoned argument will always beat a snappy headline with no backup. The present fashion for a big picture and a logo was started by agencies in non-English-speaking countries who realised that they were at a disadvantage in award shows. The format was adopted by everyone else because it seemed easier and required little in the way of actual work. It's one of the reasons that the press is now regarded as a second-class medium. That is sad and needs to be re-addressed. But the growth of the net is a good sign...you must be able to read.

5. On his future book - Haven't thought about it. Unless I get a decent advance and a contract, I'm not interested. Lots of publishers want to put something out, but unless there's money involved, why would I bother?

6. On the future for Asian Advertising - Nothing very exciting. Asia is no different to anywhere else, I have to tell you. If anything great emerges, I'll be delighted, but do remember that agencies all over the world are beavering away as we write.

7. On future plans - Oh, my blood is flowing. I just checked. Advertising isn't the only thing in life, you know. And it's not the only way to make a living. It just happens to be the thing I know best. As I said earlier, I'm not actually dead yet, and the amount of response I've had from ad people throughout the world has been very flattering. My problem is not what to do next, but what NOT to do!

A bit sad that after a long career in advertising he will probably be remembered most by two quotes "women creatives are crap" and "death by blog."
You can read the complete interview at the adobo website

Neil French’s website is http://www.neilfrench.com
Picture Source : www.kleinerfisch.com

Saturday, February 10

Where are the Wow-ers? And how do we hire them?

A mid-sized or small ad agency in India today generally doesn't have an HR department. Even if it does, the HR person is more a recruiter and administrator than a talent spotter and trainer!

As we lose our capacity/ intent to dole out fat salaries, We must think out-of-the- box to spot good talent, hire them, train them and then keep them excited!

And this is the duty of every senior/ mid-level manager in the agency. I often dig into Tom Peters for inspiration in such matters...

Here are some nuggets from his book'The Circle of Innovation'.

1. "Expose yourself to the best things humans have done and then try to bring those things into what you are doing" - Steve Jobs
The original Macintosh team was a marvelous mix of artists and engineers. Their aesthetic interests were as strong as their techie interests! When was the last time, we tried creating/ fostering communities of interest in our agency?

2. "It's the cracked ones that let light into the world."
Are there enough wild guys in our agencies? Are we chatting/ having coffee/ inviting them to our agency? Often enough.

3. "Experience is out. Inexperience is in. It may make a lot of middle-aged businessmen very uncomfortable, but it's a fact of life." - Alan Webber, founding editor, Fast Company
Have you tried giving an important project to the junior most guys in your agency.
I tried recently for a major assignment. The results have been stunningly impressive!!


4. "Good ideas come from differences. Creativity comes from unlikely juxta-positions. The best way to maximise differences is to mix ages, cultures and disciplines." - Nicholas Negroponte, founder and director, MIT Media Lab
Shall we attempt making small diads of copy-writer & planner, servicing and art director, CEO and management trainee, planning director and summer trainee...We may be surprised at the value we might create by this re-mixing!! Let's try creating hot-groups for new business pitches!

5. Hire for attitude. Train for skill.
Hire bright students from design institutes, history students, bio-tech students...Give them creative assignments...Woo them. Woo their colleges. Network with their faculty!
Let's raise the lust quotient of our agency...

As Andy Grove said, we need to create 'waves of lust' for our product - in this case our agency brand!

The wow-ers are unevenly distributed! Are we doing enough to hire them?

Image source : Gettyimages

Wednesday, December 20

Why Now, Santosh?

By now, its highly probable that you would have read Santosh's Rant on agencyfaqs! In an industry already troubled by dropping intellectual capital, a major voice leaves. In fact, in the pre-blog/ net/ e-mail days, his was the lone planner voice that one heard in India...Sad, unfortunate...

My only question to Santosh is why now?

Of course, as a planner and as an ad guy who has himself been in the Indian ad business for about 13 years, I can identify with each of the points that Santosh has raised. They resonate. The frustrations, the angst. The smallness of people all around us. But isn't the worst behind us...

In the morning, I read an optimistic post on the state of media by FINK at ThotBlurb. And then I read this slightly bitter farewell note from a guy who most young Indian planners look upto!

Frankly, in the interview, Santosh doesn't tell anything new( rare for him)!
His rants are the familiar ones. What surprises me is that he was the CEO of a fairly influential agency. He was in charge. So, he could have initiated much of the changes he so desires a Pied Piper to champion! At least at McCann...

1.I feel the Pied Piper won't come from other industries. They are playing a much larger game. Having more fun than us in a gung-ho economy! House-cleaning is best done by the inmates!


2. Santosh also commented on the mediocre talent that the industry has and the problem of talent retention. Again I don't think McCann had a better scorecard against the industry standard.

Of the few bright, smart kids that we hire, many work in Vietnam type sweat-shop conditions and salaries(with a little dollop of exaggeration, it's true)...AE salaries in many agencies are only marginally more than the salaries of the drivers( with over-time) of the CEO in the same agency!

Many of the agencies today generate substantial profits for the big holding companies. If that's the case why is attracting talent so difficult. Of course, I have never run a business unit. So, I may be a little naive on the business and growth compulsions. Do forgive me for that...

3. On his specific comment that -"Admen get disproportionate media coverage, leading them into believing they’re 'big, hot and happening' and that “Advertising is too self-obsessed, judging by the number of awards we flank ourselves with..."

Well, I feel we should be grateful that with the small market capitalisation of our industry we still manage to dominate many col cm of space in media! We can't wish away the glamourous( at least the image/ perception) of our business. Bollywood gets disproportionate share of attention too! And they are the poster boys of the economy!

If our blown-up image adds to our influence as an industry, I think its a good thing. If the reference is specific to Prasoon Joshi, then it's a personal matter:-)

3. “Who knows? Someday, my love for advertising may pull me back!” .
And that's the point. Santosh's move appears to me more triggered by the ego clash with Prasoon and the new power equation at McCann than the accumulated frustrations from the advertising industry.

Each of the points raised by Santosh is undeniably true! But the fact remains when most of the World's biggest brands are making a bee-line for India. When the 800 pound gorilla called Omnicom and muscle flexing Publicis are gunning for India.
When the economy is Talking 10, it can't be the worst phase of advertising!

The worst I believe is behind us. Santosh, when the industry most needed guys like you, you have chosen to leave! Why's that?

Thursday, November 2

John Hegarty Speak

BBH is among the agencies that I admire more than I know about. It's more in the mindspace as it's India entry is the staple scoop of Brand Equity:-)

So, when my friend Gopal sent me this article, I was tempted to share with the wider world. Don't know if it's copyright infringement!

The article reproduced in entirety from Irelands Marketing Monthly...

Man of ideas - Interview by Michael Cullen

Mention the name John Hegarty and some of the best known TV campaigns ever spring to mind. He is the man who gave Levi's gravitas from the time Nick Kamen shocked onlookers in the launderette and a young Brad Pitt photographing with a curvacious brunette in the desert. Mention Audi and Hegarty's line Vorsprung durch technik follows.

For Hegarty, the business of advertising is simple, straightforward. It is about talented people coming together and having great ideas. Whether agency staff sit together or in separate rooms, whether they hang upside down from the ceiling or do away with desks and have bean bags, it is largely irrelevant. Great ideas, great ads maketh.

Relaxed, pragmatic and remarkably demure for a man who has scaled enviable creative heights, Hegarty knows adland intimately and appears content in himself. Diplomatic too. Speaking to him, one suspects that should the UN look towards Europe rather than the Far East for a replacement for Kofi Annan, Hegarty could be in with a shout.

John Bartle, Nigel Bogle and himself first got together in 1973 at TBWA. When asked what for him was the most important element in their 23-year partnership, Hegarty said: "Respect… respect for each others' skills. I think all three of us had that. No one tried to do somebody else's job." Bartle retired in 1999 but still keeps in contact.

'None of us is as good as all of us' became the BBH mantra. It came out of the fact that the three agency founders had differing skills; Bartle's was in planning, Bogle account management and Hegarty creative. While all three may have been handy at what they did, by combining their talents, they felt they could achieve something special.

"It was a genuine belief that this is a business that no one person is the ultimate boss," Hegarty said, "it's about a combination of skills working together. By constantly referring to that, you make everyone understand that's how they've got to do things."

Hegarty avoids using the word 'originality', leaving that feat to God alone.

'Original' prompts unease. He refers to a line he heard which says that 'originality is determined by the obscurity of your sources', a credo not unlike the one used to define plagiarism: 'There's not such thing as plagiarism, you only improve'. Anyway, freshness is the word Hegarty prefers to call on when describing something new and true in ads.

"There's a huge danger with lots of new technology around," Hegarty said. "There's fragmenting of media, the change of how people are consuming media and how they are more in control. They are going to determine when and what they're going to watch. That means advertisers have really got to think how they're going to communicate.

"But if do great things, people will watch them." While Hegarty hesitates to describe British advertising as the best there is anywhere, but "it is pretty good". The UK is lucky in having a perfect population size - not too big, 60 million people - and the market benefits hugely from having the non-advertising BBC, which sets standards.

"Anybody who says to me the market is the great leveller and the great decider, I kind of go, well… if you didn't have a public-funded broadcasting system, commercial TV in the UK would be even worse. One only to go to countries like the US to see the alterative and the way they've had to go to finance TV in a completely different manner.

"In the UK, there's a sense of irony. Humour's important as it's the enemy of authority and it's a great way of getting people to listen. Of course, it's subjective but as a creative person in advertising you either can do humour it or you can't."

BBH have always had a policy of not working for either a political party or a tobacco company. Hegarty believes that if you subscribe to one political ethos and it conflicts with another, it is hard, if not impossible, to work on such an account. But the agency has had approaches over the years, including when John Major became Conservative leader.

BBH was asked to meet with Chris Patten - a Tory Hegarty admires - but they chose not to do business. BBH does handle public information accounts, such as Barnardo's and anti-smoking campaigns. They are on the Central Office of Information (COI) roster.

While relatively conservative in his style of play, Hegarty admires Trevor Beattie, ex-TBWA and co-founder of Beattie McGuinness Bungay. Beattie has built reputations for clients and himself with clever PR stunts for the likes of fcuk. "Yeah," Hegarty said, "I think Beattie is a very talented guy. Do I like all his work? No."

"But he's good for our business. He's a fantastic spokesman. A lot of people didn't like fcuk but it wasn't talking to them. It was intended to annoy them. That's partly what made it successful. They got annoyed and other people went 'yeah!' It's a bit like drugs. The reason drugs are so popular is because they're banned. That's part of their allure."

BBH limits the agency showreel to current work. So when potential clients come knocking on their door, they get to see only ten commercials and a number of print campaigns. Despite having a collection of brilliant work in their archives, Hegarty does not believe in presenting golden oldies in new business pitches.

Why did BBH do the media deal with Leo Burnett? "We realised we needed more than one office," Hegarty said, "that everything could no longer be done out of London. That's a thing to learn, you don't get everything right straight off. To make it work, without having a global network, we knew we had to do a deal on media."

So they signed up with Starcom, giving Leo Burnett a 49 per cent share. BBH now has six agencies in all. Singapore was the first shop outside the UK and then came New York, Tokyo, Shanghai and Sao Paolo. While Hegarty tries not to do too much travelling, duty calls. Luckily, BBH is now the global agency for the £60m British Airways account.

"I don't like being one of those creative directors who comes in, looks at the work and says 'it's all shit' and flies out. Whatever you do, it's important you carry on working on actual pieces of business. It keeps you in touch with the reality of being an agency and running an account - you stay fresh, alert and alive to the problems out there."

Pressing matters on the BA account meant Hegarty had to leave Kinsale on the Saturday morning, thereby missing out on the festival banquet and winners show. "We were ready to press the button on certain things," he said. "The big idea was that passengers upgrade to BA, but things have to be in place and the airline has to be able to deliver on that."

The work is there, ready to go. But BBH has not concentrated more on giving them business advice rather than just ads. Security concerns at airports with queus a mile long and restrictions on what passengers are allowed to bring through in their hand luggage has also had a negative effect on getting plans off the ground.

Hegarty explains how Audi's Vorsprung durch Technik (Lead through Technology) came about. He was on a tour of the Audi plant in Germany and he noticed a sign on the wall with the infamous words. He noted them and put them to use. Since then, the phrase has found its way into pop culture and was used in the U2 song Zooropa and Blur's Parklife.

What type of career might Hegarty have pursued had he not become involved in advertising? "When I went to art school, I wanted to be a painter," he said. "But I was undoubtedly a rotten painter, which came as a shock. I love architecture and the idea of managing an environment and experience for people… a bit like advertising."

Having said that, he agrees with his colleague, Nigel Bogle, who recently suggested that advertising has become less influential. "Our business isn't good at promoting itself," he said. "It doesn't have a clear view of what it needs to do and it's very short-term in its vision. As far as clients are concerned, advertising isn't an industry which has stature."

WHIFF OF EXCITEMENT John Hegarty's agency, Bartle Bogle Hegarty, has created some magical campaigns for Lynx deodorant, like the 'Click' commercial with actor Ben Affleck.

Was advertising still paying the price for when there was a lot shysters in the business? "I think they still are and they always will be," Hegarty said. "One of the big problems with advertising is that you don't need any qualifications to be in it. Anybody can set up an agency tomorrow and spout all sorts of nonsense and get all sorts of headlines.

"That's one of the problems. It's one of the advantages too. Years ago, I was at a talk on new agencies. Geoff Howard-Spink was on the panel and a client in the audience asked him did he think it was appalling how much agencies earned, to which he replied: 'Listen, there are no barriers in this business, why don't you start an agency?'

Hegarty has harsh words for the trade press in the UK. "The suck up the nonsense which some people come out with," he said. "They don't really question it. No other industry would put up with. If architects, for example, were to do it, they'd be laughed at. But in our industry they are given column inches as they go about the way it's going to be…

"The trade press should expose them, not glorify them. It's like economists who make predictions and they review them at the end of the year as to what they said and what actually happened. But there's no accounting in advertising. They come out with absurd statements and the media don't come back and question them why it didn't work."

Aside from BBH, Hegarty is a great fan of the work done by Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO for The Economist. He says that every lesson anyone would want to understand about advertising is contained in that first ad, '"I never read The Economist" - Management Trainee, aged 42.' For him, that line by David Abbott is pure brilliance.

As far as some of the BBH accounts that have given him most satisfaction, one would be Phileas Fogg, the gourmet snacks brand sold to United Biscuits. Due to the fact that the ads centred on the Phileas Fogg factory up in Consett, Co Durham, UB could not close the plant and so the advertising had helped in keeping people in their jobs.

Some critics of BBH around Soho have suggested that the agency has allowed the creative standards slip at the expense of winning new business. Hegarty agrees that such remarks are not entirely unfair. The agency was obsessed with having great work and it is essential that they should always strive towards that, but it would be stupid for him to deny that they are altogether happy with where the work is just now.

"We've been very disappointed with some of the work over the last 18 months," he replied candidly. "But you get that playing at such a high level. A campaign comes to an end. Look at Sony Bravia… Fallon had that business for about four years before they created a great piece of work. It takes a long time and it's much more complicated.

"We're now working on Omo and Persil. You can't move it instantly. We've always said 'play the long game'. We've got some brilliant work coming through at the moment." While BBH is not a process-driven agency, neither do they believe in creative chaos. They are very buttoned down and work to a micro network globally.

Hegarty takes some satisfaction out of the fact that the agency was laughed at by rivals but now many people see the micro model as the way forward. BBH does not entertain speculative pitches but Hegarty is less committed when asked about whether or not clients should be charged for new business presentations.

"Agencies should do what they believe in doing," he said. "Personally, I think it would be better if we were paid but it would never work. There are too many people chasing too much work." On industry awards, Hegarty is not surprisingly broadly in favour of gongs. But he also concedes that they can be over-indulgent and there are far too many of them.

Agencies feel they have to enter a certain number of awards because if they don't, people start saying 'oh well, they're not entering awards any more'. So agencies are sort of forced into entering, whether they really choose to or not.

Hegarty believes it has always difficult to convince people generally of the value of advertising. Clients who understand advertising and use it to its best effect are the successful companies. The media marketplace is overcrowded, as it every market. Audi will not stop making cars just because the car market gets more competitive.

Getting back to the Audi slogan, Vorsprung durch Technik, again, research said they should not go with it as it would not work in the UK. But the client said "but we are German" and Audi (pronounced 'ow-dy' as in 'howdy') went with it.

BBH was in the news earlier this year for a dispute the agency got involved in with production houses over paying directors direct. It became about as BBH tried to explain to the production houses that agencies were under pressure from clients on cutting costs.

BBH felt they were better at negotiating than the production houses.

Hegarty puts the row down, which became a stand-off for a while, as "just one those things", where someone wakes up one morning feeling a bit miffed. The matter was resolved and it was agreed that BBH would negotiate with editors and they would work with the production houses to find editors which best suited the given project.

Was the action by BBH necessary? "No, it was completely out of hand. The issue wasn't really about editors, it was about agencies continually doing more of the work production houses do. My belief is that increasingly we will because we'll have to control it more. We're better at buying. Our agency is better at it than most production companies."

Advertising is not strictly speaking an art in Hegarty's mind. Rather it is where art meets commerce. Hundred of years from now anthropologists will look at commercials like the one for Heineken 'Water in Majorca' where you have a toffee-nosed public school type female woman being changed into a Cockney lass and dissecting it in so many ways.

That commercial reflected the British obsession with class. Nowadays, the emphasis in advertising is in sport, often dubbed 'the new religion' and advertising measures that. Hegarty recalls a scene from Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters where the aliens came down to earth and Francois Truffaut said: "I think they want these people to come."

They sought fun, to play. We are moving towards a culture that wants to play and advertising is part of the entertainment industry. On media speculation that Levi's and BBH may about to part company after 24 years, Hegarty said that the client was upset by the rumours that were put about and denied they had any currency whatsoever.

One client which did exit BBH during the summer was the £50m Sony Ericsson global account. The split followed a decision by Sony Ericsson to buy a brand strategy from Wolff Olins with which BBH fundamentally disagreed. They told the client that they could not possibly execute it. Saatchi & Saatchi has since won the global business.

The Wolff Olins strategy, which was presented to BBH by the mobile phone marketer as a fait accompli, was based on the 'I Love New York' idea, but with the Sony Ericsson logo replacing the heart shape, which, of course, itself was originally substituted for the word 'Love'. Instead of New York, words like 'music' and 'photography' will feature.

While these days are among the more difficult times to be in advertising, they are also one of the most exciting periods Hegarty has yet encountered. After all the hype and misplaced promises, the internet stands as a strong force in communications in the future.

Hegarty has a lot of friends in adland, but he has also developed new ties by investing in a vineyard in France. Having been born and bred in London, his friends suggested that he should buy somewhere in the country. He had no interest in somewhere temporary where you visit for a few weeks, lock up again and return home, so he bought a vineyard.

How does Hegarty think he is perceived in advertising? "I think they wonder why I still go on," he said with a wry smile. Andy Berlin on Red Cell referred to him as "a creative entrepreneur". Somewhat unsure about its meaning, Hegarty just says he believes he has an understanding of client needs and he likes to makes "businesses better".

Now 62, Hegarty still enjoys going to work each day. Advertising is like a drug in that it is enjoyable. He quotes the line by Jerry de Femina, who said "advertising is the best fun you can have with your clothes on". The long, liquid lunch may happen less often now but that matters a jot to Hegarty. Fun means using great ideas to become great ads.

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